What They Say : Local Mix
There’s a lot of debate between local Indonesian fans regarding the evolution of chant mix from the pure style to somewhat more complicated style and sometimes added by the local Indonesian fans own mix. And obviously it always be ended up with a stalemate with each and every fans believing in their own idealism.
Nothing wrong with that and it was to be expected. But, this phenomenon really piqued my interest, what do the overseas fans think about the variety of the local mix that could be heard in various uploaded YouTube videos for every JKT48 performance?
Thus, I decided to ask it to a friend of mine, Japarta, to ask the JKT48 Japanese community in 2ch to give their opinions for the local style mix. So thank you very much Japarta and all of 2ch users in JKT48 thread for their opinions.
So this time the article is kinda unique, if usually it was information for overseas fans, this time, from overseas fans to local fans .
Please bear in mind that this opinion came from JKT48 fans in Japan. We would like to ask non-JKT48 fans too, but that would be way too broad for this topic. Hopefully in the future we could include opinions from non-JKT48 fans too and also opinions from fans from other countries as well.
So without further ado, the opinions.
Opinions
260 本家のMIX知らんから違っても分からないわ。
JKTメンが楽しく活動してくれればどうでも良い。
Since I actually doesn’t know the original MIX, I totally don’t understand the difference between JKT MIX and AKB MIX.
It’s really up to the fans. The most important aspect for me is that JKT48 members could do their activity with happiness and fun.
Karena saya sendiri tidak tau MIX yang original, saya tidak mengerti di mana bedanya antara MIX untuk JKT sama AKB.
Saya terserah saja. Bagi saya yang lebih penting adalah member JKT beraktivitas dengan senang dan bahagia.
261 現地でアレンジされていくのはごく自然な流れだと思います。
The MIX should really be arranged there, I think that’s the most natural way of it.
MIXnya di-arrange-kan di sana, itu aliran yang sangat natural.
265 そもそもMIX真似ること自体驚きだった
日本でさえMIXを嫌がるファンもいるぐらいだし、インドネシアのファンは気兼ねなく自分らのやり方突き通したらいい
First of all, I really am surprised to see Indonesian fans knows the original mix.
We even have people that hates those MIX. So that’s why, it’s really okay if Indonesian fans do their own thing.
(TN: The point is, you simply can’t please everybody, so just be it)
Awal kata, saya kaget sekali karena fans Indonesia pake MIX yang original.
Di Jepang saja memang ada fans yang tidak suka MIX2. Maka itu, boleh saja fans Indonesia berjalan sendiri.
(Intinya, di mana2 ada fans yang tidak suka MIX, tidak usah terlalu perhatiin)
266 最初に興味もったのがJKTだからどこをアレンジしたのかも分からないな。
個人的にはいいステージになれば全然いいと思う。
The first group that could grab my attention was JKT, so I really don’t understand about how the MIX got re-arranged.
For me, it’s okay as long as members could work together with the fans so the members could perform well.
Group yang saya mulai berminat pertama kan JKT, makanya saya tidak mengerti di mana MIXnya sudah di-arrange-kan.
Menurut saya, tidak masalah lah asal member sama fans kerja sama supaya penampirannya bagus.
267 JKTは現地のファンによって支えられてるんだから現地の人がアレンジするのは当然自由。
JKT is supported by Indonesian fans, so I think the fans is free to arrange their own MIX.
JKT kan disupport sama fans Indonesia, jadi fans Indonesianya bebas saja untuk arrange MIX.
268 個人的な意見を言うと「よっしゃいくぞ~」の語尾は下げない方が盛り上がるし好きかな。 でもあれがインドネシア流なら全然いいと思います。(261)
In my own honest opinion, that “Yossha Ikuzo~” notes shouldn’t be descending, but it should be ascending. That makes it more zest and I loved it. But if that whats the local fans like, I’m fine with it.
Menurut saya, bagian belakang “Yossha Ikuzo-” nya jangan nada turun, tapi nadanya harus naik. Itu bikin semuanya lebih semanggat dan saya suka. Tapi kalo itu salah satu ala Indonesia, oke2 saja.
270 インドネシアのみんなのJKTだから、インドネシアアレンジでいいんじゃないの
JKTファンの一人として(あくまで個人的な意見だけど)、いずれはAKBを追い抜くぐらいBIGな存在になってほしい
もしもそれが実現した時には、以前も秋元Pが言ってたようにJKT独自の方向性が創造されてくるはず
そうなればMIXだって日本流じゃなく、インドネシア流のものに自然と変わっていくよ
いや、それよりもごく近い将来、オリジナル曲を持った際には必然的にそれが要求されるのでは?
しかしインドネシアのみんなは熱い!
そのパワーで絶対にJKTをインドネシアNo.1にしてもらいたい!!
Since JKT is an Indonesian group, I think it’s okay for Indonesian style of MIX.
As one of JKT fans, this is all my personal opinion. I hope one day JKT could be bigger than AKB.
If that’s gonna happen, JKT will have their own path just like what Mr. Akimoto have said.
And that means, the MIX will have some evolution to become Indonesian style.
The time for JKT to have their own original song is getting nearer, and that means, Indonesian original MIX have to be exist!.
Anyway, Indonesian fans is really on fire doesn’t they? I hope the power from Indonesian fans could lead JKT48 into the No.1 Idol Group!!
Karena JKT adalah group yang punya Indonesia, boleh saja MIX yang ala Indonesia.
Sebagai salah satu fans JKT, ini opini pribadi, saya harapkan kapan2 adanya JKT menjadi lebih besar daripada adanya AKB.
Kalo itu terkabul, arah jurusan JKT sendiri akan tercipta seperti Mr. Akimoto sudah pernah bilang.
Kalo begitu, MIX saja pasti terubah sendiri akhirnya menjadi ala Indonesia.
Oh iya, bagaimana? Sekarang saatnya sudah tidak jauh sampai JKT punya lagu yang original.
Kalo begitu, MIX yang original Indonesia saja harus ada dong.
Ngomong2, panas bangat ya teman2 Indonesianya. Saya harapkan power2 dari fans Indonesia memimpim JKT48 jadikan group yang No.1!!
275 変化オッケー進化賛成
I’m fine with variation, Agree with Evolution!
Oke saja variasi, setuju saja evolusi!
288 サッカーのチャントも様々な場所でオリジナルが自然発生的に出来て
世界各国に伝播してアレンジされて別なものが出来上がっていく
だからインドネシア流が作られていいと思います
本場ケチャの国だけに神秘性が加味されて欲しいくらい
と言っても日本のMIX成立の過程を知っているわけじゃないけど
Football(Soccer) chant have their own style and arranged differently.
That’s why, I’m okay with Indonesian own MIX. Really would like to hear something mysterious, like Kecak for instance.
But honestly, I really don’t know the process about the original MIX creation in Japan.
Chant bola saja di mana2 berakhir sendiri, terus dibawa dan di-arrange menjadi beda2.
Maka itu, saya setuju saja kalo MIX ala Indonesianya dibuatkan. Pengen saja sampai ditambahin sesuatu misteri, kan Indonesianya negara asal kecak.
Tapi sebenarnya saya sendiri tidak tau bagaimana prosesnya sampai MIX asli dibuatkan di Jepang.
301 個人的には一般ファンはインドネシア流アレンジだけ知ってれば全然よくてコアなファンになれば本家版も知って欲しいかなぁ。
言い換えると興味がJKT止まりではなくAKBにまで及ぶ人には本家版も知って欲しい。
SKEやNMBもそうだけどAKBと100%全く同じ物は目指してないと思うし、JKT独自文化も築いていつかは逆に日本に売り込んで欲しい。
まぁここのスレの翻訳しか見てない人は日本はJKTに好感的と思うかもしれないけど そこは勘違いしないほうがいい。
公演で誰推しですか?と隣の人と喋っててJKT一推しなんですよ~って言ったら外国に作ってもいいけど、選挙とか出てこないで欲しいと言われた。
やっぱり海外姉妹Gは嫌いな人もいるんだなぁと悲しくなったが、それはインドネシアパワーで
どうにかして欲しいと切に願う(´・ω・`)
In my own honest opinion, as long as one is just a casual fans, knowing Indonesian MIX is enough. But if one had become a core fans, one should know the original MIX.
If one interest is not only with JKT but also have reached AKB, I want the fans to know the original MIX.
For me, JKT is not 100% the same with AKB, and so does SKE and NMB. I want JKT to have their own culture and could promote it in Japan too.
In this thread, perhaps people who have seen translated writings will think that Japanese fans have a good impression with JKT, but let me tell you something..I’ve visited the Japanese theater, and then a fan asked me “Who is your oshi?”, I answered with “JKT”. Then he said, he accepted the overseas sister group but he doesn’t want any members of the overseas sister group to enter the Sousenkyo.
I’m really upset with that since I just realized that there are fans who doesn’t like the overseas sister group. But I hope the power of Indonesian fans could find a solution for that problem.
Kalo opini pribadi, asal fans yang biasa sudah tau MIX ala Indonesia, itu cukup. Tapi kalo sudah jadi fans yang inti (core), dia harus tau MIX yang original.
Ganti kata, kalo minatnya sudah lebih dari JKT tapi sudah sampai AKB, saya mau dia tau MIX yang original.
Menurut saya, JKT tidak menuju 100% sama dengan AKB seperti SKE dan NMB begitu juga, saya ingin JKT mendirikan budaya sendiri dan promosi di Jepang juga.
Di thread ini, mungkin orang2 yang suka lihat tulisan2 yang sudah ditransalte pikir kalo fans Jepang mempunyai perasaan baik dengan JKT, tapi jangan salah… Dulu saya ke theater Jepang, terus ditanyakan sama fans di samping saya “siapa oshi kamu?”, terus saya jawab “oshi sayanya JKT”. Terus dia bilang sister group dibuat di luar Jepang saya masih bisa terima, tapi jangan sampai mereka ikuti “sousenkyo(pemilihan AKB group)” ya, gitu.
Saya sedih sekali karena baru tau adanya fans yang tidak suka sister group yang di luar Jepang. Tapi saya harapkan kekuatan fans Indonesia bisa cari solusi untuk masalah seperti itu.
310 現地流に進化させていってくれるのは良い流れだと思う
今の日本のMIXもアイドルごとに改変された沢山のMIXバージョンがあって、新たな物も作られている
日本でもMIXは発展途中で変化を続けてるから、インドネシアのMIXが独自の進化を遂げる事は
インドネシアにMIXを始めとしたアイドル文化が根付いた証明でもあり嬉しい
The evolution to Indonesian style, I think that’s a good trend.
There are a lot of MIX variety in Japan now. For each and every idols, they even make new one. Since in Japan the MIX is still in the middle of evolution, Indonesia’s own MIX evolution could be a proof that idol culture, such a MIX, is getting their root and growing in Indonesia. I’m really happy.
Dievolusi jadi ala Indonesia, itu trend bagus.
Sekarang MIX2 di Jepang ada banyak variasi yang beda2 untuk masin2 idola, masih saja yang baru juga dibikin. Karena di Jepang pun MIXnya masih di tengah jalan evolusi, evolusi sendiri di Indonesia itu buktikan bahwa budaya idola, misalnya MIX, sudah mulai berakar dan tumbuh di Indonesia. Saya senang.
Conclusions
Those are the opinions from the JKT48 Japanese fans in 2ch. So how should Indonesian fans should reacted to it? Here’s my take into it :
It’s fine and it’s good to create an evolution of the MIX, such as the “Eee Aaa” routine on Kissu Shite or the clapping hand routine on “Heavy Rotation”. And I think it is wise to start to think about the purely local MIX to add-up to (hopefully) original songs.
One thing that should be noted is that, don’t let the creativity destroy the fun. Be in unity and make sure it still in tempo with the song. Godspeed dear fans
Boleh boleh saja untuk menciptakan dan membuat evolusi dari sebuah MIX, seperti halnya “Eee Aaa” di Kissu Shite atau tepuk tangan di “Heavy Rotation”. Dan menurut saya cukup bijaksana apabila fans mulai berpikir untuk MIX lokal yand dapat ditambahkan di (mudah-mudahn) lagu orisinal.
Satu hal yang perlu diingat adalah, jangan biarkan kreatifitas menghancurkan kesenangan. Kompaklah dengan seluruh fans yang lain dan pastikan semuanya masih satu tempo dengan lagu. Semangat fans
What is your take to it? leave a comment or two in the comment form below
Special Message
Along with the opinions, there are several special message for JKT48 fans in Indonesia by 2ch users, here are some of it :
まもなく行われるであろうメガコンⅡとアルバムの発売後、「えっ、今時JKT48も知らないの?」という空気をインドネシア全域に広げてほしいのです
これにはあちこちに存在しているヲタの協力が絶対にかかせません
あらゆるネットワークを駆使して全国へ情報発信してください!
Soon we have the 2nd mega-kon and CD debut will came.
After that, I really hoped in Indonesia will consist the “JKT48 is the trend now, you know” -atmosphere.
For that, I really hoped for any kind of support from the Indonesian fans.
Please use all available network to send any kind of Info to all of the fans in Indonesia!
Sebentar lagi akan ada mega-kon yang ke2, terus CD juga akan keluar.
Sesudah itu, saya harapkan di seluruhan Indonesia ada suasana seperti “JKT48 kan lagi trend, kok kamu belum tau?”.
Supaya bisa begitu, bantuan dari fans di seluruhan Indonesia sangat diperlukan.
Minta tolong mengunakan semua network yang punya dan mengirimkan info ini kepada fans di Indonesia!
JKT48がASEANを制覇できることを信じていますとインドネシアのファンにぜひ伝えてください
Please told the Indonesian fans that I personally sure that JKT48 could conquered the ASEAN entertainment business.
Tolong sampaikan kepada fans Indonesia kalo saya sendiri sudah yakin JKT48 bisa menaklukkan dunia entertainment ASEAN.
Opinions gathered and translated into Indonesia by Japarta
I am moved with the final special message. From my personal point of view, JKT48 had already been as “The No.1 Beloved Idol Group in Indonesia, More Over Among All the ASEAN Counties,Especially at The Leading Country’s Capital City, Jakarta”. If I accelrate too much, please forgive me. But, I think JKT48 is “the original one” even though it existes under the umbrella of 48 groups. JKT48 has their own spedial shine. JKT48 can not survive without all the Indonesian fans strong support with “Heavy Rtated” CHANT-Mix. With my loud voice, I want to say “JKT48 has been originally made by all the Indonesian fans”. I hope you all don’t worry about your original CHANT-Mix. JKT48 is generated for you all in Republik of Indonesia. Sure I also hope “Go Internatinal!” as always Melody says:) Sorry to disturb you. Best Wishes,
Again TOMO. I think I have better add some more words. I believe that you all should be proud of your JKT48 and also be proud of your own CHANT-Mix. Sure you all are highly impacted by AKB48 and the CHANT-Mix for AKB. But your JKT is your JKT, not AKB. I believe that you don’t have to worry the some small differences of CHANT-Mix between for JKT48 and AKB48 and for the other 48 groups in Japan. And your CHANT-Mix is your CHANT-Mix. If my expression is exaggerated, please advise me. But even though JKT48’s songs and performances are based on AKB48 and J-POP, I believe JKT48’s songs and performances are already I(Indonesian)-POP by all the fans of Indonesia. And more,by your nation’s passionative and open soul. Finally I apologize for my misstype at the important part of my previous comment. Not “Heavy Rtated” but “Heavy Rotated”. As you know this part is metaphor:)
Thanks for the encouragement .
I also personally think that the fans should have some creativity in creating chant mix as long as not destroying the fun and enjoyment of the mix itself as already stated by WasshoiJ on his article about the recent theater review
A little problem the JKT theater have right now is there are different groups of people doing their own version of the Mix in the same stage.
In the end, it sounds terrible because
1) people are confused on what to Mix
2) there is no power and
3) there is no unity.
There will be groups of people who follow the AKB mix and their rules (such as no mixing during slow songs) and also, there will be groups of people who do not know these “rules” and just mix to everything anyway. For example, the last instrumental in Kagami is JKT fans infamous “anyhow chant” section because you will here the “Yossssh Ikuzo” and after that, everybody will not know what to say next. (in AKB mix, you just keep quiet).
So, how? Who is there to teach? Or who is there to follow? Who knows what is right? Who knows when it is not right? Who says I cannot start my own JKT mix? Who says I must listen to your group Mix? These are the uncertainty people face.
And because there is nothing or nobody showing, guiding and helping the fans to be united and do things together, things will not get better soon. How many years did it take the original AKB fans to develop the mix? Will it take JKT fans the same time for their own version too?
Personally, it is the best when everybody is united. That is why some JKT mix such as the Eee Aaa, the Heavy Rotation claps and also, the Urya oi, are nice and fun.
But it is the worst when it is not united AND there is trolling done by these same group of people in the audience. The first shows of Gen 2 theaters have some horrible fans because fans keep shouting for Gen 1 members during member call. And worst of all, these same Gen 1 members like Shanju were standing at the back and they can see and hear everything.
So maybe, there is just no choice but to bear with it and let things work itself out. Maybe in 1 year time, there will be some nice and pleasant changes
Those trolls problem has been ironed out in recent theater review I read, but perhaps the “un-unity” and the “I’ll do whatever I like, I’m a hipster” mix is the one that is hard to be ironed out right now with the “Everybody wanna be the stars” attitude
I really loved that Eee Aaa chant tho’ , hopefully the fans could incorporate it to other songs as well as long as it fits
if they come across more dangdut songs! hahah… i heard about the “Everybody wanna be stars” thingy
Yes! more Dangdut songs please! Aki-P , hear us!
WasshoiJ san and Angga san.”Dangdut” songs are your traditional popular songs? I’ve heard the name of the songs, “Dangdut” before. I think if I and many JKT48 fans in Japan can know what “Dangdudt” songs are, just I think we will be able to enjoy your pops sciene:D
Well, Dangdut is not a “Pop” scene per se . It’s more like a grass root like songs and considered the “people’s song” for lower to medium class citizens while parts of people who claimed themselves as upper class citizens considered it as plebes and often sang the song just for mocking.
One thing to note tho’, upbeat Dangdut is awesome for fun atmosphere and dancing together all around
Here’s some of it as example :
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This is the real Sendy JKT48 singing before her start as a JKT48 member. It’s an “underground” dangdut scene where Sendy struggling there to pay for her own tuition fee. The very exact reason why I really admire Sendy myself.
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The very well known Dangdut song that based itself on a Latin song called Coffee Rhumba and produced by a Japanese named Makoto Kubota.
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A J-Pop band that song arrangement really resembles Dangdut in a very close way
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Another take on Dangdut.
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And a modern take of Dangdut which succeed very well in the market. Everybody loves this group who sang this song
And Kissu Shite arrangement really really resembles a Dangdut song, that’s why that typical Dangdut Eee Aaa mix really fit in very well in that song
Don’t forget this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ROiL9U3CLEI&list=UUaIbbu5Xg3DpHsn_3Zw2m9w#t=85s
( Sendy actually twisted the tune shortly in 1:39 ~ 1:47 to dangdut style, which was responded by the crowd with eeE A ! eeE A ! )
and this
https://soundcloud.com/peyangfl/duetmau7-jkt48-karena-kusuka
Haha, yes, I miss that, the Sendy twist Heavy Rotation into Dangdut . Thanks for notifying it mate.
And the second one is Dangdut Koplo for anyone who opened that and wondered what is that. Some kind of a mix between Dangdut and Eurobeat and House music.
I will take my research on YouTube to know what “Dangdut” is. THXS:D
Great! I already put some examples up there for you
First of all, appreciate for your great lessons for me, the beginner of Dangdut songs. Yeah, this is the amazing time for me that I can reallyze what Dangdut it is. Actually Dangdut differs from i.e. Japanese people’s song “Enka” and more other songs in the other nations I personally think. And personally again, I really like “Kiss Shite Son Shichatta”‘s sound, rhythm and arrangement. If you feel there is a similarity between “KisuShite” and Dangdut songs, I also can feel there are some possiblities for JKT48,JOT and AKimoto san to create Dangdut-taste songs. Because, again this flash is just only mine but, some recent J-POP’s main streem “Kayoukyoku” songs have been taking respects to “Kayoukyoku”‘s meridian period 60′ to 70’ and there is a tendecy to hire sounds and rhythm taste-like “KisuShite”. Again from my private song-lovers career, Akimoto san also tends to hire “KisuShite” taste as spices in some set-lists. Probably Akimoto san lived that golden period of “Kayoukyoku” as his teenager’s experience. So again probably he enjoyed that sound and rhythm. I heard when Akimoto san creates new song, per one song, he tries to hear candidate songs originally written only for the new one song. So he has possiblities to adopt Dangdut-taste song like “KisuShte” more, if JOT can gather the taste that Indonesian friends prefer by such as research or survey, they can realize the beloved lyric, song, rhythm and arrangement. So at that time, JKT48 can be really localyzed to Indonesia. I hope JKT48’s 1st original song should be that one. Sure JKT48 will be singing AKB48’s songs. But I think it is OK for JKT has some songs originally made in Indonesia, not always J-POP
Sorry, Akimoto san hear approx.1000 candidate songs per one new song.
The Hell Angga!!! where the hell you get that “dangdut japanese song”??
i’am freaking in shock rightnow
Tube walking as usual
I see. I can understand what you want to say:)
Sendy was taking such pains, the 1st time I know. I just knew Sendy sung Dangdut. She is happy to become JKT48 members, probably “yes” I think. I feel that I absolutely respect Sendy. BTW I never said “Dangdut Japanese song”.
Sendy and Rica are the members who trully understand the word struggle and survive..
they’re both seems to be the most grateful members for being in JKT..
that is why they seems preety mad with the action of few graduated members..
This is a pretty nice article. Rarely found it anywhere
For he/she who wrote the article, two thumbs up. Looking forward for similar articles like this. We need to know what non-Indonesians know anyway.
need more article about Japanese fans opinion like this. Thank you
You’re very welcome! Credits to Japarta for the help and all the 2ch netizens tho’ .